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Message 236 - Posted: 20 Mar 2021, 22:37:44 UTC

I just noticed new settings in Kryptos@Home preferences that I hadn't noticed before.

Max # of jobs for this project
Max # of CPUs for this project


Real handy for this VBox app project at the moment.
PrimeGrid has similar controls amongst it's many, many options but these two would be very useful to merge into BOINC code and be available for all BOINC projects in the future.
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Message 237 - Posted: 25 Mar 2021, 8:47:19 UTC - in response to Message 236.  

I just noticed new settings in Kryptos@Home preferences that I hadn't noticed before.

Max # of jobs for this project
Max # of CPUs for this project


Real handy for this VBox app project at the moment.
PrimeGrid has similar controls amongst it's many, many options but these two would be very useful to merge into BOINC code and be available for all BOINC projects in the future.
They already are and I'm using them to limit Kryptos in the same way for my machine that I use for general use, and a machine with a GPU doing other projects that's slowed down by vbox, but like most things they haven't put it into the GUI. You have to use two config files, thus: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration
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Message 238 - Posted: 25 Mar 2021, 11:39:15 UTC - in response to Message 237.  

Peter Hucker wrote:
You have to use two config files
The config files are are lotsa fun (and sometimes educational) and my hosts required them to run this project smoothly. But if I saw max # of jobs on the project preferences webpage, I could have attached any number of clients without worries and without manually inserting files everywhere. I'm being selfish in wanting to see that setting on all BOINC projects because it could help me out in a few other places, but I'd bet I'm not the only one that would benefit from that addition. That setting should be there in every BOINC server setup or upgrade in the future.

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they haven't put it into the GUI
Maybe having easy access to config could lead to too many user initiated catastrophes. I'm being selfish again :)
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Message 239 - Posted: 25 Mar 2021, 11:44:47 UTC - in response to Message 238.  

Peter Hucker wrote:
You have to use two config files
The config files are are lotsa fun (and sometimes educational) and my hosts required them to run this project smoothly. But if I saw max # of jobs on the project preferences webpage, I could have attached any number of clients without worries and without manually inserting files everywhere. I'm being selfish in wanting to see that setting on all BOINC projects because it could help me out in a few other places, but I'd bet I'm not the only one that would benefit from that addition. That setting should be there in every BOINC server setup or upgrade in the future.
I guess that would be useful. Although I do have 7 rather different machines (some with GPUs, some without, some with limited RAM as they're old MBs, and 1 as my main machine I don't want slowed down), but if they can be grouped on the server (work/home/school/default) then that would be a better option than tinkering with config files.

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they haven't put it into the GUI
Maybe having easy access to config could lead to too many user initiated catastrophes. I'm being selfish again :)
Having it nicely organised in a GUI could allow users who don't know what they're doing to select from sensible numbers! I have asked on the main boinc forum why they don't put everything in the GUI, but they said it would be too crowded. I disagree - you can have an advanced tab. Many programs have huge numbers of options in an advanced tab, out of the way of people who don't want to play around much.
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Message 240 - Posted: 25 Mar 2021, 12:09:36 UTC - in response to Message 239.  

Peter Hucker wrote:
I disagree - you can have an advanced tab.
BOINC's defense right now could be "Why did you do that in your config?"
That defense could be used as offence if config is allowed in any way through the GUI. "Why did BOINC allow me to do that so easily?"
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Message 242 - Posted: 29 Mar 2021, 9:25:47 UTC - in response to Message 240.  

Peter Hucker wrote:
I disagree - you can have an advanced tab.
BOINC's defense right now could be "Why did you do that in your config?"
That defense could be used as offence if config is allowed in any way through the GUI. "Why did BOINC allow me to do that so easily?"
Most programs with advanced tabs have little warnings saying "not advised to set this above 50" or "anything changed on this page must be done with knowledge of what you're doing or things might break".
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Message 250 - Posted: 2 Apr 2021, 18:17:56 UTC - in response to Message 236.  

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merge into BOINC code and be available for all BOINC projects in the future.
It's already there! Now that I actually look, I see a few other projects with the same options.
✅ LHC@home - and dev preferences -
✅ MLC@Home preferences
✅ QuChemPedIA@home preferences
✅ RakeSearch preferences
Probably other projects as well.

A small postscript.
I was denied when I originally tried to post
https://www.kryptosathome.com/forum_reply.php?thread=38&post=236 wrote:
Your post has been flagged as spam by the Akismet anti-spam system. Please modify your text and try again.
Grrrr. Akismet anti-spam system. Maybe the words to links ratio is not acceptable to Akismet anti-spam system. I added lotsa words. Still denied. Grrrr. I removed all but 1 link. Still denied.
So now I removed those extra lotsa words and all links. Do you also want me to get a haircut, or is this good enough for you, Akismet anti-spam system? Grrrr.
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Message 252 - Posted: 3 Apr 2021, 11:39:42 UTC - in response to Message 250.  
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Contact wrote:
merge into BOINC code and be available for all BOINC projects in the future.
It's already there! Now that I actually look, I see a few other projects with the same options.
✅ LHC@home - and dev preferences -
✅ MLC@Home preferences
✅ QuChemPedIA@home preferences
✅ RakeSearch preferences
Probably other projects as well.

A small postscript.
I was denied when I originally tried to post
https://www.kryptosathome.com/forum_reply.php?thread=38&post=236 wrote:
Your post has been flagged as spam by the Akismet anti-spam system. Please modify your text and try again.
Grrrr. Akismet anti-spam system. Maybe the words to links ratio is not acceptable to Akismet anti-spam system. I added lotsa words. Still denied. Grrrr. I removed all but 1 link. Still denied.
So now I removed those extra lotsa words and all links. Do you also want me to get a haircut, or is this good enough for you, Akismet anti-spam system? Grrrr.

Antispam is better than it used to be, my ISP blocks almost every single spam email. With it off I get 100 spams a day. With it on, I get 1 a week! But.... sometimes it blocks legitimate stuff. It blocked all communication from "newshosting", a service I paid for. But because they emailed me to confirm something, my account wasn't set up because I hadn't replied. I had never received their email. I only found out when I made a complaint through paypal that they weren't providing the service and were refusing to talk to me. They conversed with me through the paypal complaint and I whitelisted them. When I asked my ISP why they were blocking them, they said they hadn't and the system was automatic, going on other users reporting spam (which I didn't even know you could do with POP3 - maybe they take the data from webmail users?)
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Message 253 - Posted: 3 Apr 2021, 14:47:51 UTC - in response to Message 252.  

Peter Hucker wrote:
Antispam is better than it used to be
Yeah, but still too much Grrrr.

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maybe they take the data from webmail users?
Probably. Many have a Report Spam icon in their toolbar. It would be hard to resist selling that info.
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Message 254 - Posted: 7 Apr 2021, 16:00:49 UTC - in response to Message 239.  

Peter Hucker wrote:
I disagree - you can have an advanced tab. Many programs have huge numbers of options in an advanced tab, out of the way of people who don't want to play around much.
Wow. Your request has been available since 2018, and is now almost ready to work properly.
https://forum.efmer.com/index.php?topic=1326.msg9077#msg9077 Richard Haselgrove wrote:
Unfortunately, this tool DOES NOT CURRENTLY WORK.

As noted above, the BOINC client writes out a new copy of app_config.xml, but uses faulty syntax. The new tags are unintentional, and are not recognised when the file is read back by the client.

28/03/2021 09:35:16 | GPUGRID | Unparsed line in app_config.xml: gpu_gpu_usage
28/03/2021 09:35:16 | GPUGRID | Unparsed line in app_config.xml: gpu_cpu_usage

I have submitted a patch for the BOINC client - https://github.com/BOINC/boinc/pull/4291 - but this will have to be approved, and a new client released, before the editor can be used.


I still don't think you'll see this feature in BOINC Manager because of this type of experience. This was BOINC's fault, but I can imagine other user initiated terrors.
https://forum.efmer.com/index.php?topic=1326.msg7799#msg7799 wrote:
Great, I now have to audit about 400 app_config.xml files one by one to assure they are correct.


Maybe BOINC Tasks will be good fit for you once the dust settles on the app_config.xml patch and Windows 10 install issues?
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Message 265 - Posted: 15 Apr 2021, 17:18:47 UTC - in response to Message 250.  
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Contact wrote:
Grrrr. Akismet anti-spam system. Maybe the words to links ratio is not acceptable to Akismet anti-spam system. I added lotsa words. Still denied. Grrrr. I removed all but 1 link. Still denied.
So now I removed those extra lotsa words and all links. Do you also want me to get a haircut, or is this good enough for you, Akismet anti-spam system? Grrrr.


Apologies about that!
I don't think there's much we could do with respect to that one, barring removal of Akismet altogether. Not sure if they provide any kind of finely grained settings to reduce the number of false negatives.
On a similar note - we've hit a new milestone :) I've had to "banish" the first ever spam user from the forums (who managed to make a post the other day).
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Message 268 - Posted: 15 Apr 2021, 18:06:46 UTC - in response to Message 265.  

e1profesor wrote:
I don't think there's much we could do with respect to that one, barring removal of Akismet altogether. Not sure if they provide any kind of finely grained settings to reduce the number of false negatives.
I cross posted this in another BOINC forum and was allowed 1 link, so maybe there is a setting. I'm not sure it's worth hunting down though. I'm still gonna see security. I'm still gonna get that fight or flight response :)

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I've had to "banish" the first ever spam user
And that's why you need security. Grrrr.
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Message 270 - Posted: 16 Apr 2021, 17:34:37 UTC - in response to Message 268.  

e1profesor wrote:
I don't think there's much we could do with respect to that one, barring removal of Akismet altogether. Not sure if they provide any kind of finely grained settings to reduce the number of false negatives.
I cross posted this in another BOINC forum and was allowed 1 link, so maybe there is a setting. I'm not sure it's worth hunting down though. I'm still gonna see security. I'm still gonna get that fight or flight response :)

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I've had to "banish" the first ever spam user
And that's why you need security. Grrrr.
Spam should receive heavy fines. And that includes Apple putting "sent from my Iphone" at the end of texts.
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